Saturday, September 01, 2007

9/11 'Truth' Correspondence

The problem with 9/11 conspiracy theories in not just that they are nonsense but that they support deeply flawed world-views that operate at different levels of paranoia and distrust. There is some evidence that these can be corrosive in themselves, but they also lay people open to exploitation by unscrupulous individuals for material gain. Hook someone with 9/11 'Truth' and then you can sell them lots of other ideas, and lots of other stuff as well. Books, DVDs, T-shirts are all grist to the mill of the well-developed conspiracy industry. So, arguing against 9/11 idiocy is not just about the ideas, it is trying to prevent people parting with their cash and chunks of their lives at the behest of charlatans.

In that context, I had an email, and since it was open and sent to many other recipients other that myself, a public response is in order:
This is an open letter.

Dear Mr Horgan,

I read with interest your article snapping at Mr Fisk for questioning the official version of 911.
Criticising, actually.
I suppose you did not study Physics at school, College or University - this is clearly evident from the Physically illiterate article you have written.
Undergraduate level physics, as if it matters.
Can I confirm that I have read the NIST report in full, from cover to cover, and you are WRONG, the actual NIST report (not the fakes) states on 911 both the 110 floor building came to ground in less than 10 seconds. Indeed the NIST report claims one building fell faster than free fall speed in a vacuum at sea level.
The US National Institute of Science and Technology (NIST) says that the speed of the debris hitting the ground approximated that which would have been expected from freefall. What am I wrong about?
Indeed we have copious video evidence and seismic data which clearly proves both twin towers came down in less than 10 seconds each.
Well, NIST don't think so:

NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).


From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.
Now look here, you can play your silly little political games and lie and cheat and basically make yourselves look like clowns, or you can start to accept Scientific facts and question the ludicrous "conspiracy theory" which is the official narrative.
What political games? My party is in opposition in the UK? There are no scientific facts that support the 9/11 'Truth' industry.
For clear Physics proof of why 911 was a "False Flag" "Inside job" demolition (after jet impacts), I have enclosed a letter recently sent to the BBC , which clearly explains why 911 was a controlled demolition including the simple maths.
This calculated that a very simple model of the twin towers shows a collapse time slightly more that 10 seconds. It does not contradict the observed facts, and it certainly provides no evidence of a controlled demolition.
I openly challenge the whole of Physics, Engineering and Science to prove this physics hypothesis and maths incorrect.
What hypothesis? It is deeply flawed logic to calculate that mathematically the towers behave more or less as they did in real life, announce it must have been a controlled demolition and then demand to be disproved. If you have a theory the onus for evidence is on you, not on everyone else to prove a negative.

The claim is that the US government committed mass murder of its own citizens. I would have thought that if someone were going to believe that then they would have to have a weight of convincing evidence. Clearly, I was wrong.


robert_hoogenboom said...

Those were controlled demolitions, all right, that brought those three buildings down: There is no way kerosene fires in TWO buildings two-thirds of the way up can pulverise THREE steel and concrete buildings and make them crumple as dust into their own footprints at free-fall speed. And so, where are the Bush administration criminally negligent to the extent you'd think they had something hide? In the fact that they didn't investigate HOW al Qaeda did it; managed to sneak in and lay all those charges, and got the coincident timing between explosions and plane crashes exactly right, and all the rest of it. There is no doubt that al Qaeda did it. The American government told us so, through the various post-investigation reports, etc., and Blair went into Iraq because of it. You'd think that Bush and cronies would want to know HOW al Qaeda did it, how they managed to blow up those three buildings, instead of being in such a rush to ship out all the evidence. You'd think the Bush administration had something to hide; were accomplices even, which, of course, as you so rightly say, is inconceivable.

Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney Australia

Steve Horgan said...

The buildings were pulverised by the collapse, not the fires. When the structure failed on quarter-mile hight, half million ton building then a huge amount of energy was released. Someone with better maths than me has estimated that it was in the region of 272 tons of TNT or just over a quarter kiloton on the scale that is used for nuclear weapons. This is quite enough energy to pulverise concrete and steel. You can make an argument that the US government were not as open about the failures that led to the successful terrorist attack. Why the heads of the FBI and CIA were not fired is also an interesting question. However, jumping from that to some conspiracy theory that does not involve men with beards and speaking in Arabic is absurd.

Anonymous said...

i agree with horgan, i mean really there is so much evidence terrorists did it. none the gov. did it. there are unanswered Q's but not nearly as many as truthers say there are. there definetely were hijacked AA planes by terrorists. thats how i think about, before som1 watches loose change and becomes a truthere nut, look at the other side, alot more evidence on that side. truthers just say it was an inside job because the gov. can't explain it. there isn't a single shred of evidence that points to the gov. doing 9/11. really, none, o ya theres coincidences and "why did this happen crap". but no real evidence the gov. did 9/11. unbeleivable amount of evidence al qaeda did it.

Erik said...

Complete 911 Timeline- over 5000 MSM articles and statements by the government-

CIA and FBI were tracking the terrorists- why didn't they stop them- why the obstructed investigations, the violations of standard procedures- the 911 Commission ignored 70% of the Family Steering Committee's questions. Kucinich will be holding new hearings this September